Talk:TVR

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Speed 12 v. Tuscan Speed 12

Isn't the Speed 12 a Tuscan Speed 12 like the Tuscan Speed 6? --blades 01:06, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)

No, the "Speed 12" is a racing-only vehicle not to be confused with the "Cerbera Speed 12" which was originally intended for road-use but the project was cancelled by Peter Wheeler as being absurd. The road-going engine without the restrictors demanded by racing regs made nearly 1000bhp - absolute madness in a car that weighed just over 1000kg.

i think it only had a 7.7litre v12 which produced 880bhp

Officially, the car had the 880bhp, but this was never fully confirmed, and rumours of up to 1000 bhp have circulated, as well as several testers claiming the power broke a 1000bhp dyno... i think we can safely say it had AT LEAST 880. Maybe more... --Aubs 400 (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cerbera Speed 12

There were 3 Cerbera Speed 12s built. Two were used for racing, and the third has now been restored by a private owner.

There is a rumour that a 4th car was built and sent to a private collector in the Japan, but this has never been confirmed by the TVR factory.

Billionaire

Smolensky is not a billionaire - his money comes entirely from his father, Alexander Smolensky, who now is no longer a billionaire either (wealth esimated at around $230 mln). Palefire 00:10, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Missing model

i think that u are missing out the tvr tuscan 440r model --User:81.86.79.171

The T440R is also known as the Typhon. --JonGwynne 05:50, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the T440r was designed and bulit long before the typhon and is a diffrent tuscan like the tuscan 2 where as the typhon is a newly designed car and is not the 440r

Changed Chimaera photo

I removed this photo of a TVR Chimaera and replaced with a better one. --Etimbo | Talk 20:39, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TVR Griffith

The TVR Griffith of the 1960's was produced until 1967, not 1965 as recorded. The Griffith 200, introduced in 1963, was replaced by the Griffith 400 the following year. This was an improved version of the 200 boasting improved cooling and a new rear window for better visibility. Production of the 400 lasted until 1967. User:cstjejm 16:41 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Production moved out of country

Something needs to be added about this. I'll fix it later - for those that don't know, TVR is not only moving production out of it's factory, but out of the UK altogether. Rumours (though I'm not including them in the article for the sake of clarity) suggest that Ricardo with be making engines and gearboxes and Bertone will make the bodies. I'd be very grateful if someone would update this for me! Abarthaddict 09:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added an update. I believe Bertone is making more than just the bodies, but also completing final assembly. Taalo 08:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

Could this article be moved back to TVR, please? I only created that disambiguation page to limit the list at the top of this article. The other two options are not to articles titled TVR, and all of the internal links to TVR are related to the car company. Bob talk 13:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Company ownership

Has Smolenski really sold the company to Burdette and Santacreu? On 9th March 2007 he claimed still to be the owner. [1].

The mystery continues! Malcolma 10:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Past tense?

I've noticed that the opening is now in past tense, and have thus amended the rest of the introduction to make it work grammatically. However, has the firm actually closed for good? A search of the internet seems somewhat confused as well. Does anybody know for certain and can cite what the current situation is? Bob talk 18:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, it hasn't. There was just an article in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago about the new models they're planning to release. This should be reverted to present tense and updated to reflect their current status. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 21:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah right. After posting the message, I had a further look around - I noticed Autocar magazine this week (13 June, pg 25) seems to talk about the "demise of TVR". It all seems a bit uncertain. I suppose it would be safer to use the present tense than give the wrong impression. Bob talk 10:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any further news? The "recent events" section mentions that the current owner plans to restart production in 2008, but the article does not explicitly state that production ever ceased, and given the train of events I suspect it will neve come to pass. Is it still possible to buy a new TVR? The company's website is (c) 2007, and it's not much help. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Three years later it still seems as dead as a doornail, although the website no longer has a date; the email address ("tvr@muadib.eu") looks incredibly fake and amateur though. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 14:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TVR Slogan

You might want to include the TVR slogan: Passion.Pride.Performance. Freeminder 15:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

trevor -> tvr

it says tvr came from trevor by removing two vowels and two consonants when its really two vowels and 1 consonant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.96.233 (talk) 09:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

T400R/T440R - which one

the article shows T400R but is that the real name? or is it T440R? if someone knows the real name with some sort of proof can they please correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.98.195 (talk) 01:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I belive it is t440r. In the game Asphalt Urban GT, the T440R name is used in the game. --ChckMeOwt (talk) 07:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Scandinavian sales

This car should be sold in Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Why isnt it?80.192.246.56 (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Falcon-Eagle200780.192.246.56 (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably emissions or safety legislation. Bob talk 18:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translation, please

We're told:

Reports indicate that the current management of the company seek to transform the innate business model of the firm from complete car assembler and retailer to that of 'virtual car company' that leverages the abilities of external business partners, so as to decrease capital expenditure, overhead costs and variable costs, and so improve the per unit profitability and help counter the highly cyclical business fortunes highly correlated to general economic circumstances.

Does this mean that these unspecified (imagined?) reports show that the owners just want to stick their brand name on cars made by others? If not, what (if anything) does it mean? -- Hoary (talk) 15:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like advertising to me. I say remove it. Parrot of Doom 00:44, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. It looks like PR boilerplate to me, and it's unsourced. Marshall Stax (talk) 02:15, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TVR IS BACK!!!! http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/tvr-returns-top-gear-2013-06-07

TVR's status since 2013

This dispute started with me (User:Iiii I I I) reverting this edit by User:86.160.247.245; copying these first few comments over from the IP's talk page.

I gave valid reasons in all of my edits. Do not revert them again. TVR ceased to exist when Smolensky shuttered the company - not one single development prototype was ever built for the 2018 Griffith, let alone any customer cars, and the EV proposals are dead too, it's just a dormant company with no factory and no employees. 86.160.247.245 (talk) 22:29, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your edits and am doing so again because you have not provided any citations to back up what you claim. Even if true, this is not how you update a Wikipedia article – you may amend or expand the existing text to include that TVR never followed through, but you should not remove sourced information just because you have some personal grudge against the company. It's plainly incorrect to say that the company is not called "TVR Electric Vehicles Limited", or to remove the line about the company being under new ownership from the history section. Iiii I I I (talk) 23:57, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TVR Electric Vehicles Limited is a wholly separate subject and is also completely dormant and as such not noteworthy and does not merit an article. Everything the company did that is notable occurred between 1956 and 2006. Nothing else. I do not have a personal grudge against the company - I am merely sticking to and striving for factual accuracy. The existing state of affairs implied that the 2018 Griffith is still a real and present thing, and that there is a future of electric TVR cars. Neither is true. There is zero possibility of any TVR car emerging in the coming years, as examination of the accounts filed with Companies House will show - they are not spending any money on R&D or labour, they do not have any employees - in short, it's a bullshit company that exists only for tax purposes. Unless and until there is any prospect of new ownership of the TVR brand ACTUALLY developing new product, the articles as they were/are could not be described as accurate or truthful. They're dishonest, disingenuous and misleading. 86.160.247.245 (talk) 03:19, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar and others bought TVR from Smolensky in 2013, as is stated and cited under the "Current ownership" section. It still exists, just rebranded – all of this is part of the company's history and belongs on the page. As I mentioned before, if you want to add that the new TVR has not produced any models as of yet, then go ahead, but you need to stop removing valid information. Iiii I I I (talk) 04:40, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar bought the rights to the brand. Nothing else. The factory is gone, the engines are gone, and Edgar got GMA to produce for him precisely ONE show car using a stock Mustang engine and suspension. There is no R&D going on, there are no employees, there is no factory, the Ebbw Vale plant is no longer in Edgar's hands (the whole thing was just an excuse to rip off Welsh taxpayers, like the equally fraudulent 'Circuit of Wales' next door). I left the history of the Les Edgar era in the text of the article, I just retitled the heading. The fact is that TVR has not produced a car since 2006 and, as such, the article should reflect that factual reality instead of pretending that Les Edgar's bullshit company is a carmaker. Any fool can register a limited company with Companies House for a modest fee - you don't even have to use YOUR valid UK address, you can give your company address as Buckingham Palace if you want and they'll register it. The fact that a company exists at Companies House does not mean it's a real thing in any tangible way! The UK is one of the easiest countries in the world to set up a bullshit company without any verification of its actual existence.

For evidence of this, see the following:

Companies House: what is it and how is it failing to do its… | TBIJ

[2]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/03/crisis-uk-companies-house-fake-directors-fraud

[3]https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/01/31/the-trillion-pound-fake-missed-by-companies-house/

[4]https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2023/02/22/the-failings-of-companies-house/

In short: TVR does not exist, Les Edgar owns a trademark and nothing else, he commissioned one show car before realising he didn't have the budget to even get that sole car road-legal (the 1 TVR plate actually belongs to an old Cerbera) and has since basically squatted on the brand to prevent anyone else doing anything with it and showing him up for the incompetent amateur he is. Plus that sweet sweet Welsh government money, while it lasted... even the electric thing has died a death, no vacuous press releases on that since 2023. The Borgward revival got a lot further, and look what happened to that...

There is no extant carmaker called TVR. Hasn't been since 2006. 86.160.247.245 (talk) 06:48, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For the Griffith page, I think the proposed second-gen should at least be mentioned as a still-born project. A rewrite and a trim seems like the best way forward. Mr.choppers | ✎ 16:16, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]